Like, you're getting the name of the senator. Chris Hayes: As I've been listening to this, I've been thinking about just the rupture that happens with Pearl Harbor. So that, to me, was like incredibly exciting. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. Rachel Maddow: It is great. So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. I mean, yeah, weve got really radical right-wing media, but we dont have anything like that. Rachel Maddow: -- who are beating up Jews in neighborhoods in New York. And so, deciding that we won in the war --, Rachel Maddow: -- and, therefore, that vanquished --, Rachel Maddow: And all Americans came around --. And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. All Rights Reserved. Rachel Maddow is incredible. And the way you do the work to get them there is to assume that people know nothing when you start, right. I mean --, Chris Hayes: -- and through time, I mean, I think thats also partly, in a weird way theres actually kind of something comforting about it insofar as a liberal democratic open society is going to face existential foes to that liberalism almost as a matter of just reality. They orchestrated civil lawsuits between different pro-fascist groups suing each other in order to expose all their dirty laundry to the world because law enforcement didnt care, right? I'm not pulling this from memory. Court actions do not work against this seditious plot involving members of Congress in the Hitler government. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. So that idea of accountability, like there is a role for institutions like the church. Chris Hayes: -- and was arrested and tried for and imprisoned for. He is encouraging America that the leaders we need to be emulating are Mussolini and Franco, and he calls for his followers to form armed militia cells to train with weapons, to go the Franco way, to go the way of fascism in this country. Were going to fight them by trying to get our churches to be more active on this, and trying to get the police to be more aware of what were doing, and to try to get neighborhood organizations that are both aware of this and organizing against it. Tweet us with the hashtag #WITHpod, email WITHpod@gmail.com. Rachel Maddow: Yes, its a piece of it --, Rachel Maddow: -- and its not the end all, be all. Meanwhile, MSNBC's All in with Chris Hayes drew 1.57 million at 8 pm and Last Word averaged 1.79 million at 10 pm. As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow. Is this a real story? They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. I love that scientific part of it. And I think this first entered my consciousness in the Philip Roth book, "The Plot Against America" --, Chris Hayes: -- which is fictional, but also when you read it, it's a fictional counter-history in which Charles Lindbergh runs for president as essentially a kind of Nazi sympathizer, essentially America first. The ReidOut. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible. Chris Hayes: -- because its like at some level the comforting story to tell ourselves is that Coughlin is the kind of key instrument or whoever today. Rachel Maddow: And so, I am working past midnight now instead of stopping working at --. I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Rachel Maddow: -- 10:30. Signers responded to outreach from three organizations--Just Foreign Policy, RootsAction.org (which I coordinate), and World Beyond War--calling for concerned individuals to "urge Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, and MSNBC to correct their failure to report on the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and the direct U.S. military role in causing the . And hes effectively calling for pogroms in this country after Kristallnacht happens in November 1938. And I have, I feel it emotionally, right, that like the criminal justice system should be able to sort this out and issue some definitive declaration about what is and isnt in bounds, what is and is not a transgression. Right. I've definitely learned that I can't do everything alone and that there is no such thing as a one-man-band in this business. Quiz: Photo of Rachel Maddow or Photo of Chris Hayes? I don't know. Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. I mean, one of the things that's sort of really exciting and fascinating about the podcast is you've got front-page news coverage of this stuff. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. Chris Hayes: That, like, a lot of times you come in, you're talking to a spouse or a friend or a therapist, and you're, like, talking about things in your life. Chris Hayes: Yes, but the opening scene of this podcast, you're just, like, I don't know who this guy is. His full name is Christopher Loffredo. Rachel Maddow: And, you know, theyre organizing rifle clubs, and its as confrontational as you can get in terms of being an overt pro-Hitler movement designed to destabilize the United States. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. You know, are you the bishop who asked to decide what to do about Coughlin? Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. Right --. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Maddow seeks to explain our complex world and deliver news in a way that's illuminating and dynamic, connecting the dots to make sense of complex issues. ELIJAH SCHAFFER (@ElijahSchaffer) October 5, 2022, Whats going on with the German National Socialist propaganda, Chris? Chris Hayes: -- its wild that this happens, that this level of sort of fame and stardom and influence happens within the hierarchy of the Catholic clergy where he just literally just a literal random parish priest. Lundeen gets run out of literally on a rail out of his congressional district for opposing World War I, which is a very different thing than opposing World War II --, And what I find fascinating about is like the ideological trajectory of these figures around this time and how people navigate through, once everything is presented is on the table, right? And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. We have all this stuff. And you need the prosecution, you need the investigation, you need the Justice Department to be engaged in things like this, but it's actually not the solution. I mean, the stories about Jewish community activists in Los Angeles organizing infiltration of pro-Hitler German-American groups to then expose what those groups were doing even as the local police in California and the FBI had no interest in doing anything with what they were finding, I mean, what they did is they got newspaper articles written about it, and they got magazine articles written about it. MSNBC's Chris Hayes Posts Photo with Rachel Maddow, Then Users Notice Symbol Next to Them By Jack Davis October 6, 2022 at 8:34am The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. I mean, theres a role to play for all these different kinds of Americans who bring their whole civic selves to this fight. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. Rachel Maddow: And your country will respond to you not necessarily by declaring your behavior illegal because it may not be --. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Chris Hayes, Washington editor for the Nation, is sitting in for Rachel Maddow tonight. MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow plans to take a hiatus in order to focus on other projects, including podcasting and serving as executive producer for a movie, Business Insider reported Monday.. Chris Hayes: All right. Is that a story about authoritarianism? And who did FDR fear more than any other rising leader in the United States was Huey Long. Some were acquitted, the rest were off in a mistrial. Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. As I'm speaking to you, I think the podcast is available now wherever you get your podcast. What's the story? Like, there was a weird moment around the birth of American Holocaust denial and accountability for actual Nazis, not allegorical Nazis, but the real Nazi leadership that brought me to this moment. 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